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2009.07.15 18:55:10
Bulldog

The Bulldog is rejoining after a too long hiatus and apologizes....he will be a regular attendee and blogger from now on......He does have - to mangle a metaphor -- a bee in his bonnet this AM....it's the "I've got mine, screw you" mentality that increasingly seems to pervade the 12 step rooms these days.....Where has real 12 stepping gone?  No I don't mean that erzatz bull shit that passes for same these days i.e. a welcomer who greets folks at the bottom of the stairs.....newsflash they are the lucky ones....for every lucky person walking down those steps there are 100 out there suffering...what about them.

Increasingly as the Dawg prowls the rooms in the US, Europe and other more exotic climes, there is an aura of I've got mine, screw the rest of them....I'm here to lifestyle dump and the hell with the rest of you......how many groups keep a 12 step list any more....run temporary sponsorship programs...this is aall both sad and predictable....12 step groups usually mimic society as a whole and society as a whole has become a very self centered....I know that supposedly the crash will lead to some quote on quote social introspection, but we all know that rarely lasts.....so I am asking the question that always makes them squirm in the room these days...."When was the last time you shared your experience, strength and hope with some one outside the rooms?"....Do you even care........

If your answer to the first is recently and the second is yes, then ignore this rant.  If, as I suspect for most of us, it is not then as was once said "We have met the enemy and it is us."



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samarcande
2009.07.16 19:57:36

I like !
Can I return you the question?
...."When was the last time you shared your experience, strength and hope with some one outside the rooms?"....
....Do you even care?........

Human helping and sinister sharing do come before or business?

 
 
chris
2009.08.11 20:37:33

Bulldog – I am with you on this issue. I have thought about it for many years. The recovery program is very explicit – see the chapter of the big book on working with others – if we fail to be of maximum benefit to others we may fail entirely. My personal theory of the decline in the responsibility toward those still suffering by those in the rooms is threefold.
1. The fellowship has been influenced by treatment protocols.
In the 50’s treatment centers really started to proliferate. From those places came “group” and other forms of “share your problems and weaknesses” practices.
These can make you feel good for a time but really don’t help others much.
2. The chronic alcoholic is not the norm anymore.
In step one of the 12&12 Bill talks about people showing up in meetings who were only potential alcoholics – heavy drinkers – not like those who were among the first members. Potential alcoholics or problem drinkers may not have to work the program that leads to helping others as stringently as a chronic or low bottom one would.
3. The alcoholic ‘before recovery’ is lazy and self-centered as a rule.
If fewer people are 12 stepping it could be because they can get away with it and not pay the penalty with a drink.
I know for me I need to be very disciplined about the time I spend working with others, this is a penalty I wish to ovoid. You hear sometimes in meetings “some are sicker then others” – for me this is true.

 
 
Bulldog
2009.08.11 21:30:54

Thanks, Chris. I too was/am still capable of being sicker than others....I too work constantly for folks still out there, though unfortunately there are fewer and fewer activities to do so within the scope of the program....such is life.....things may and almost certainly will change again....our mission should we choose to accept it is not to judge the moment but to accept it as it is....serenity is when it becomes real

bdawg

 
 
Bulldog
2009.07.16 20:11:04

Did not understand sorry

 
 
SAMARCANDE
2009.07.16 20:27:24

wanted you, if possible, to explain with more details this kind of non communicating problems, in order to debate this theme

 
 
bulldog
2009.07.16 20:53:38

Sure. Increasingly often at the meetings I go to, people come in and "Lifestyle dump" that is bitch and moan about a particular person place or thing that is bothering them without making any effort to bring it back to AA by talking about which step they can apply to situation...on the 12 stepping when I first came around 20 plus years ago, every AA group had a 12 step list of mebers who would go out on calls ie out of rooms to help still suffering alcoholics none do now.....every meeting had a temporary sponsor list or a show of hands so that newcomers could pair up with some one on a temporary basis, largely gone too....

 
 
samarcande
2009.07.16 21:16:19

Dommage!
I can't understand that!
Deep moral assuming peoples are more and more scarces. "ca court pas les rues"!
and surprinsingly superficial folks are there and everywhere taking serious things for a temporary passtime!

 
 


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